NO ONE is NOT Religious | Irreverent Ramblings Podcast #4

Liberal atheists, secularists and social justice warriors LOVE to hate religion. However, scientific evidence has proved that humans are WIRED to be religious. It's in our DNA. The truth is that the people who HATE religion the most are actually some of the most religious people on earth.

The Irreverent Ramblings Podcast offers viewers a chance to (kind of) see Sam Hain's face and join him in philosophizing about various political, economic, moral and religious topics.

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  1. Humans are merely gullible creatures raised in deception then take an enormous amount of pride in easy learning. Pride. It is much easier to be fooled, than to be convinced you’ve been fooled—The way of religion. You would have never been a believer if no one had presented it to you. Not wired to be religious at all, but taken advantage of and lied to about numerous things from the day they were born.
    Faith is nothing more than thought convictions without substance. Easy learning.

    1. Hi Jim,

      Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I definitely agree with you that many people are religious because their parents were religious. Also, a person’s religion is often a consequence of their parents’ religion – Catholics often raise Catholics and Muslims often raise Muslims, etc.

      However, that is not the point I make in the video. Breakthroughs in neuroscience and cognitive science over the past thirty years have shed a great deal of light on the neurological and physiological processes and responses that are characteristic of religious behavior and religious experience. These findings support the claim that we are wired to orient ourselves to the world in a religious framework. I discuss the 5 elements of a religious behavior and how evolution has wired religiosity into humans’ consciousness. Secular liberals display religious fervor in many ways. This is by no means a defense of organized religion or religious institutions. Rather, it’s a way of examining the universal schematic elements of human consciousness.

      Thanks for engaging!

      – Sam

        1. Hi Clubschadenfreude,

          No. I’m certainly not suggesting that neuroscience has proven that God exists. The scientific research has shown that it’s highly likely that humans have evolved to believe in God. There are lot of anthropological and evolutionary possibilities for why this could have happened, but they all involve some degree of speculation. The claim that humans are genetically hardwired to structure their worldview in a religious manner absolutely DOES NOT mean that God exists. That’s a metaphysical claim that extends far past the scope of this post. This does not mean that religious institutions aren’t flawed and abusive; it simply means that humans gravitate toward religious narratives, even if those narratives are secular in nature.

          Thanks for engaging!

          – Sam

        2. I didn’t say that at all, Sam. I said, that you seem to be arguing that neuroscience indicate that this god is a delusion. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

        3. I see now what you meant – my apologies, I misread it. I’m not making any metaphysical claims about whether or not god exists, I’m simply commenting on the universal patterns and mechanisms that humans use to orient themselves to the world. Whether or not neuroscience sheds light on the physiological realities of religious belief, those findings are completely irrelevant to a metaphysical question.

        4. “Whether or not neuroscience sheds light on the physiological realities of religious belief, those findings are completely irrelevant to a metaphysical question.”

          I can see that. If neuroscience sheds light on how humans function, the metaphysical question is made moot.

        5. It doesn’t render it moot, it’s just not relevant to the question of whether God exists. Neuroscientific findings about the evolutionary nature and origin of religious behavior don’t mean that God doesn’t exist. My prediction is actually that you’ll find some people that incorrectly claim that such findings prove the existence of God (because he supposedly is the source of such behaviors). Unfortunately, science can never prove or disprove the existence of God because science only deals with the physical. Religion, which (should) only deal with the metaphysical, and science are completely separate domains. Unfortunately, many people love to insist that they overlap, which has been detrimental to public science literacy.

        6. When I say it’s not relevant to the question, I’m speaking purely in epistemological terms. We have no way of knowing whether God exists based on any scientific claims. The mere fact that our brains gravitate towards religious thinking is an empirical fact. A metaphysical claim, by definition, cannot be verified or falsified by empirical information. There is no physical evidence of God. You cannot PROVE or DISPROVE a metaphysical claim.

  2. just another theist trying to convince himself that everyone “really” agrees with him. We are wired to tend to see intent where there is none. Why is it that Christians find themselves constantly lying to keep their faith?

    1. Hi there Clubschadenfreude,

      Thank you for engaging in discussion on this post. The point of the video is not that God exists or that organized religion is good. Rather, humans have evolved in such a way that they orient themselves to the world in a religious manner. I also explicitly state in the video that the belief that atheists can’t possess moral integrity is absurd. There are 5 components of religious behavior:

      1. A belief system that explains the origin of the universe
      2. Beliefs that explain the meaning/purpose of life
      3. A conceptual framework to understand the world
      4. Devotional and/or Ritualistic Practices
      5. A moral code to govern conduct

      In the video I discuss how secular individuals’ worldview is constructed and how they are religious in their schematic nature.

      Thanks for engaging!

      Sam

      1. Hi sam,

        Since I have facts, not beliefs that support the current theories about how the universe happend to be, is that religious?

        The term belief seems to indicate opinions, nothing more.

        I’m also curious on what devotional/ritualistic practice you think that non-theists have.

        and all humans have a moral code of some type. it isn’t something that is religious at all. It’s just human.

        1. Hi Clubschadenfreude,

          I provide examples in the video. Rituals allow us to ‘transcend’ our humanity. They allow us to feel like we’re part of something bigger than ourselves. While atheists don’t believe in a supernatural being that unites us all or that created all of us, they certainly enjoy feeling like they’re part of something that transcends the monotony of day-to-day life. They don’t worship a god but they do, in a sense, worship ideals: social justice, diversity, equality, etc. These ideals are given sacrosanct status and public protests provide an example where secularists and atheists can come together and ‘worship’ these sacred ideals.

          – Sam

        2. Being part of a human movement is pretty human so I’m not sure where we transcend our humanity doing it. And I don’t worship “to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion” anything. I find that some ideas are good. They aren’t sacrosanct to me, just human ideas.

          it seems you are really stretching to try to claim that atheists and theists are the same for some reason. I’ve heard that one before.

        3. I’m not claiming that atheists and theists are the same. I’m saying that for scientific (evolutionary) reasons, humans have evolved to orient themselves to the world using schemas (narratives, sacred values, etc.) that we now associate with religious behavior. When a liberal atheist criticizes a person for perceived racism, the sections of the brain that are activated and the neurological and physiological processes that take place are identical to when a religious person criticizes a person for perceived blasphemy (violation of sacred moral law). When a liberal atheist protests for social justice at an event with friends, the sections of the brain that are activated and the neurological and physiological processes that take place are identical to when a religious person worships with friends.

  3. A moral code to govern conduct is simply writing into rules what occurred naturally. Even today, nobody refrains from anything because of god, but they certainly do because of the opinions of other people and what’s in it or out it for self.
    This is, in the simplest terms, formative morality.
    While the root of Christian morality is sexual purity, they evolved with another chapter taken from the great apes—Controlling food, territory, and sex. So much focus in fact, that sex manipulation is the gold standard of Christian purity. Now the churches have essentially become pimps, controlling what is inevitable by nature, you feel guilty, you see a priest or bishop, pay in some way for relief, then do it again. A certain level of guilt for nature is the key to controlling the rest of the creature. Control the simplest of natural behavior and control the whole man.

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